More Than Skincare: Peptides, Aging & Everything In Between with Meredith Kent

Meredith Kent from Skin CoLab is back on Navigating Between the Lines, and we cover everything from Botox, peptides and skincare trends to social media, raising teenagers, confidence, getting older and learning who to trust when everyone online has an opinion.

Along the way, we talk about what actually works, what isn't worth your money, skincare for kids, laser treatments, why influencers aren't always the best source of advice, and why aging might not be something to fear after all.

If you've ever found yourself wondering what really matters when it comes to taking care of yourself, this conversation is for you.

In this episode, we talk about:
• Botox, peptides and today's biggest skincare trends
• What actually makes the biggest difference as we age
• Why trusting the right experts matters
• Kids, skincare and the Sephora generation
• The influence of social media on beauty and wellness
• Confidence, getting older and embracing a simpler life
• Podcasting, motherhood and a few unexpected detours along the way

Let's Connect

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Okay, we're back. We're back. We are back. I was gonna say, can you believe it's been eight months since the first time we did this?

SPEAKER_02 0:07

More like eight hours, six hours. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 0:10

You guys, Meredith and I tried to record this this morning and we had some technical difficulties, but thankfully you're saving the day for me.

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Well, I sent you off to your hair appointment and said, come to my house this afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

I've heard people want to know about your house too. You're in it. I said I'm gonna put it on my Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

We're sitting at my coffee table.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yeah. She's got a mahjong. Is it mahjong? Mahjong. Mahjong. Matt. Yeah. Yep. I love it. It's great. Welcome to my house. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

I'm glad to be on your podcast at my house.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

No, I feel really good about it, actually. It's very comfortable in here.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Good. How's your anxiety level?

SPEAKER_01 0:50

I think it's down. Okay. You think?

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Is it up a little bit? Because you're in an unfamiliar environment.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

No, I'm gonna be great though. Okay. I'm so gonna dive right in. Yeah. So what about summer week two? You're surviving?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Okay, good. Like me, I'm like, what's going on? What's way which way is up?

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Well, we've had to have like a little bit of like a uh they say like a come to Jesus talk in our house.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

We've had that. Okay, already. Yeah, because it you kind of like let everything go for about a week and a half or two weeks, and then suddenly you're you're this is not sustainable.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

No, totally.

SPEAKER_02 1:23

The bedtimes, the schedule, the lack of laundry and dishes.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

We went to bed early at like last night, it was like 9 30, and William's like, it's 9 30.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Like like this is a problem. Like we can't be going to bed this early.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I was like, what? It's you go to bed at like eight o'clock.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

The beat continues to go on for the adults in our house. So sadly, we're not on summer breaks. We have to have those conversations. I love it. They have been had, so we're doing well. We're doing better than we were.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Oh, well, I love that. Um, I guess that's our little intro. You're ready to get into the real step.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Why am I here, Maggie? Yeah, I love it. No idea what you're talking to me about today.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Okay, welcome back. I'm Maggie File, your host, and we've got Meredith Kent in the house, literally in her house. Um, I love that you wanted to come back on the podcast. It really makes me feel really good, just so you know. If you missed our first conversation, Meredith owns Skin Collab, and I'll link the episode because today we're gonna go into a completely different direction. So you also have a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

I do.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

And I just listened to your last couple episodes. Very informational. Thank you. I love it. I do have some follow-up questions. Okay. Okay. Do you do these every week? Yes, that's the goal. That's the goal. Okay. Um, Jenny from the block. That got a real laugh out of me. Did it?

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Because I was like, I almost didn't, I almost didn't publish that podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

You gotta publish it.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

I was like, this is just too much information. I wasn't in charge of that podcast. Similar to right now, I have no idea what you're gonna talk to me about. And Angie, who interviewed me, knows so much about me, and I had no idea what she was gonna say. We just sat down and started like ad-libbing.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

It just makes you so relatable though, because you know, what you put out there in your space, and then it's kind of nice to go like a little deeper.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

I didn't mind it. I I actually chuckled a little bit listening to it.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Yeah. Oh, I did. Anyway, um, yeah, Jenny from the block. Okay, but what's something you'll spend money on every single time and never feel guilty about it? My nail appointment. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

I think you said hair, nail appointment. It's like it's a real like um like light shadow situation. Like I it it's it doesn't make sense. And I think that's why Angie and I were talking were laughing about it so hard because there's no rhyme or reason.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Okay, so you just did a whole episode on peptides.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

I thought it was very interesting because there's been some listeners who've asked me after a couple of the episodes that we were talking about, peptide stuff. So I'm gonna link that, you guys, for you because I think you should listen to it. Um, I do have some follow-up questions on that though. So would you take any?

SPEAKER_02 4:07

So here's my the my the my message in that podcast was really to try to. I didn't want to throw cold water on new science because I'm all about new science. It's it's how we move forward. I think there's been an interesting for better and worse shift in the last, call it five years of how we're getting our information and who's giving us our information.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Totally.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

So it used to be you'd go to your primary care doctor, you would ask them a question, they had the information, they gave it to you. Now it's almost like you can get inform, you're often bringing your own information to your provider now. And that's not a terrible thing because it we can all grow together, but there is like almost a little bit of a power dynamic issue where like we don't always know the weight. We can know just enough to be dangerous, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Um, so with the peptides, I would absolutely take a peptide that was FDA approved. Like the GLP1s are peptide medicines, they're approved, they've been studied for, you know, a lot of years, 10 plus whoever many years in the diabetes space and the obesity space. Now it's just become there's a new indication. And so when there's a new indication for medication, it is accessible to more people for more issues, which is great. It's it's not unsimilar to or dissimilar to something in my industry, would be like, okay, Botox was originally indicated for lines in the globella, your 11 lines, but it wasn't indicated for your necklines. Sure. Well, I've been using it in necklines for years because I know how it works and that's my thing. But if you didn't really even know how to use it in the globella and now you're using it over here, it's kind of just like you need to be with someone who knows the science.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

And with a lot of the peptides, with compounding pharmacies, et cetera, again, not a terrible thing because it it you have more access to medicine, but they're not all held to the same standards. So you have sterility issues, you have continuity issues. And so there's a there's some danger there. And so as these um substances we're taking are getting more powerful, I just think that there's more risk. And so I am not opposed to it if I am using a medication that has been tested in a way that I've at least vetted it that it's really safe to use for humans. Now, if I'm using it off label for another indication as prescribed by someone who's done that and that's their specialty, I'm down for it. But ordering something online, like self-prescribing, I think is a little dangerous. And I wouldn't even do that for myself, and I'm a provider. Yeah. I don't feel like I have the data to even be self, like to do that myself. So that's where I feel like it's it's a little fuzzy. Well, I liked, oh, go ahead. I was gonna say, but peptides in in general are just like short chain amino acids. I mean, they're in our skincare, they're like everywhere, but I think the peptides that you and I are talking about right now are like the injectable peptides, right? Well, that's that what you're asking about?

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Because I loved what you said about like an influencer or whatever. I feel like I'm targeted. We are targeted because of our age and stage in life. Totally anti-inflammation. And I think I've been more curious about it. But just like you said, I'm like, what really? What is the like what is it? So I really enjoyed your podcast about it. And it's just made me think, maybe I need to like look into it a little bit more because even talking to your friends, I don't know what your friends are talking about, but I feel like I know a lot of people and they're like, no, this is great, or I'm doing this, or I'm doing that, and they look amazing, you know. I also just read this. Um it was, I mean, I when I say red, I'm sure it was like a real. Sure. And Sarboy and that I saw. But it was from like a Harvard study. So it was, you know, something that came. It was just like shortering, shortening the information. But it was talking about how the cell replacement and how certain like the inflammation peptides or whatever, the anti-wandy. Yep, how they can regenerate those cells. But what this doctor was saying was there's no not enough research yet. Like if there's cancer cells.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

Okay, so you've heard about this.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Exactly. The we need more human studies. Okay. Right now there are, to my knowledge, hardly, like, there's barely any human studies. Not enough to warrant, at least for these newer peptides. Well, I think that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

That's just like terrifying to me.

SPEAKER_02 8:45

It but you know, it's you see someone that looks great and they're promoting a product and you want their body for your bikini. Like it's it's kind of crazy. So some things I think people need to learn or be aware of is there is a business to medicine, there's a business to aesthetics, and that doesn't always necessarily have the patron's best interest in mind. So there is, there is a business. Someone is making a dollar, and so it gets confusing when you mix that with medicine, and then you've got the Hippocratic Oath that says do no harm. Yeah. And then you've got curious scientific minds that want to move things further. Like those things are good, but they need to coexist in a balance. And the monetary piece of it, I guess it's a necessary evil, but it can really overtake something. And then all of a sudden your entire algorithm is full of this, and this is what you're thinking of. It's like, you know, the social experiment. Did you ever watch that documentary where you end up getting fed, what you're getting fed, what you're getting fed, and then it takes you down a path you didn't even know you were being taken on. I think that's a real risk. And so I it just brings me back to having like a real relationship with a provider that means a healthcare provider, yeah, that you can really just like spitball with and ask questions. And some people are frustrated because they're like, well, my provider isn't open-minded or isn't helping me. They're find another one. You know, but you need someone who has enough gut about them in terms of being practicing medicine for some time to kind of be able to give you that wisdom, that guidance that we just don't have. It's because you it that's it's the kind of like the clinical like je ne saqua that you have because you, you know, like back in the day when um doctors would just they would just have an inst instinct or intuition. We didn't even have all the labs. That's like the art of like just experience. That is something that we really don't want to take for granted. Yeah. We have so much data, we've got so many algorithms, we have chat GPT, like that's all really valuable. But the human element of okay, like this is how I've seen the body work, this is this is my gut on this particular area, I think it's really important.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Does that make sense? It really does. And I think that's one of the things I've said this to you before that I really enjoy about you is you're not gonna you're never gonna do something like that you don't think somebody should do to with regards to anything. I mean, I know you don't give peptides, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

At the same time, I mean, you gotta stay curious. Medicine's moving forward. I think there's totally promise for this. This is something like stay tuned. Totally I'm staying tuned.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

For sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

I'm not gonna do it myself though, right now.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Okay. Well, I love that you talked about uh the neck muscles. You guys I just did that in the neck muscles. You should do it too. Why'd you do it? Well, because you made me make the face and then look in the mirror, and I was horrified with what with how my neck looked.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Does it feel better now?

SPEAKER_01 11:44

I think so. Does it look like it looks very nice? Okay, thank you. Um you mentioned teenagers using your towel. I did. Can you expand on that?

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Have you ever used a towel and then smelled your face afterwards and then like I need to get back in the shower?

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Probably not, because you're not in yes. So I but I'm just trying to like walk me through this because Chloe, she always steals my towel, but she's not hanging it back up. Oh, we're hanging. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

The problem the skipping the crime here was hanging it back up. Okay, that was it. And it ended up on my face. Okay. Um, how do we combat that? I get my I just get a fresh towel. I I don't trust the towel that's hanging there. I've purchased them their own color towels. It does not matter, Maggie. Does not work. Do not trust a towel that's hanging there unless you've pulled it from its folded little shelf space underneath the the counter.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

That's hilarious. For facts. Okay, it's spicy questions too. You said people wanted ask you some spicy questions. Do you know what they were?

SPEAKER_02 12:52

I mean, I think everyone could probably surmise what they were. They involved like things all about my personal life, about my husband, about what's this, what's that, where do you go, what do you do? Yeah. I don't know. Just stuff that I'd probably like. I don't even post my children on Instagram. I think people are sometimes like shocked to hear that I have kids. Well, that's why I like am laughing.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

That's why I'm making such a joke about I'm gonna keep telling you a minute. You're in my living room. So you're in my business. Yeah, I'm like, what can I look at? No, I'm just kidding. It's really cute in here, guys. Um okay, so it's been eight months since the last time we sat down. Have you changed your mind about anything this year or any New Year's resolutions that you were after?

SPEAKER_02 13:33

Hmm. I think I mentioned it when I think Angie asked me this question. I'm getting more comfortable. I was just having lunch with my girlfriends and we were talking about this. I'm really more most comfortable and most content in simple things. For the not for the first time, but really in more of like a like significant way. Like just the highlight of my day-to-day is just talking to my friends over lunch, having a podcast with you, like organizing and getting ready for the week. Those things that don't feel like glamorous are actually my highlights. Yeah. So it's not like a big trip. It's not going to a conference. I like speaking, I like doing all those things, but that's not what's like firing me up like it used to. I think that's just might be an aging thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

That's what I was gonna ask you. Do you think that? I do. I think that too. I think that's a really good answer.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

And I'm fine with it. I'm really content. I'm super happy. It feels good though, doesn't it? To kind of just be in a space of like, I feel good. Yeah, it's really nice. So good.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

What's annoying you in skincare trends right now?

SPEAKER_02 14:42

What's annoying me, honestly? Do you really want to? I'm gonna drop Yeah, I wanna know. For real. Kristen Cavallari.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Do you know? So normally don't just saw somebody she did. She just post that thing. I follow her. I actually like her. Okay. Saw her podcast tour in person.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

I know I do too, but like, and I normally don't name drop like that, Maggie, but that it really bothers me. That is one influencer that I have to unfollow.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

So why? Explain it to me because I have seen some things about this, but I literally have no idea. The only thing I saw was she posted a story in the last few days that was like, there's a lot of people talking about my skincare that I've never met or I know nothing about, and all I can say is thank you. And then I just like moved on. So it's interesting that you're bringing this up. You got to tell me the story.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

It's not even a specific story, it's a culmination of the annoying things that are expressed, the viewpoints that are just off out both sides of her mouth. Okay. They don't they don't make sense. And she probably knows that, and that's why we're talking about her right now. She doesn't care as long as we're talking about her. But like stuff like that really bugs me where like people are coming on like an expert in SPF or something like that. And they're just, it's just straight up wrong. Anyway, so my what I was saying is I don't like it when influencers are just like, first, oh, I don't wear any sunscreen, and oh wait, now buy my sunscreen.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Wait, but doesn't she have a skincare line?

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Yes, I believe that she just launched one. So what's the root of like what did she do? She just says random stuff. And it's just kind of like just clinically known to be untrue. But you know, just to say it.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

The stuff like that kind of gets under my skin. Because anybody, like again, that goes back to the influencers or like what's trending on TikTok, right?

SPEAKER_02 16:33

1,000. Okay. It's just like there, there's no, like, you're just saying it to sell the thing, and you're saying the thing that you're want to say that day to sell the thing you're saying. And you might, hey, we're all entitled to change our minds. But honestly, that's annoying. I also typically do not write in comments on podcasts, but I did listen to a gal who was an interviewed. I'm not gonna say who it was, on a podcast I listened to, and she was speaking about all like the skincare products you should receive, all of the procedures you should receive. Like she was, and she was selling it, and she was not she wasn't even like a a a certified provider. And I just thought, you know what, there's a lot of other people that you could be asking.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Not everybody knows that. That's the problem. Like, I wouldn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

Oh, she has a huge following. But I'm just like, there are other people that I would rather listen to give me advice about this than this lady who's married to someone who's a plastic surgeon and she wants to sell me like the cream that he makes, like for your face. It's just it just bothers me. That stuff gets under my skin, and I did write a comment. I just I don't know. I was just like, you know what? Good for you. I appreciate the opinion, but like I just feel like there's probably a more qualified like guest that you could um have on your show. And you know what? They received a lot of that information, a lot of that feedback. And a few weeks later, this podcast was like, uh, we've never gotten so much feedback. And then they had a PA.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah, but that's great. That's what it's for. Because people can learn and grow. I really believe that. Anyway, I'm I digress, but yes, that's what bothers me. No, I think it's a that's a good answer. Moral of the story, go to Skin Collap, Anita. Just I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Listen to people that are in their lane. No, for sure. I'm not gonna tell you how to do your taxes, Maggie. And if I start, you better unsubscribe right away because fair.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Okay. Um, okay, no, we've talked about filler for me specifically before. Here I am still still wondering about it. Um when you look at women who are aging really well, what are they doing? Like if you could give me the top three things, and actually I'm gonna say I would say it's skincare or excuse me, SPF. Right. They're probably getting Botox, had gotten Botox. And then I guess I don't know the third thing.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

I think the third thing is probably something to deal with texture, like the texture of the skin health itself. So that might look like a laser once a year, yeah, to kind of clean up the noise that just happens with sun exposure, broken blood vessels. I honestly probably that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

But was I right on the first two? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

And I think skincare, honestly, plus plus I it's important, but having some active ingredient in that skincare is m the most important. So it might be using like uh like a medical grade retinol for cell turnover. It might be using like a medical grade vitamin C for antioxidant kind of brightening protection. So something that's actually like filling the tank, not just washing of the face.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

So it doesn't have to be complicated, but I would say those things consistently over time do pay dividends. And they're not they're not difficult. And I don't think uh those things are exactly overly extravagant either, because if we're talking about a couple key products, I can prescribe one of them to the pharmacy. I can give you a tretinoin. So that's $20. Like it's not a price issue. You can get an SPF. Um, your laser is a very reasonably priced, easy recovery once a year. Botox is a little more routine, but even if you did it three times a year, it's it's significant what you see over time. There was even a twin-to-twin study of two twins who that all one did just Botox and nothing else. And the skin quality over like 10, 15 years was profound. That's crazy. Profoundly improved. Yeah. Um, then the next level, if there's interest, it'd be something like a biostimulator, like a sculpt draw, or just some kind of form of HA filler for Uber like fine lines where we start to see some fat changes or some volume changes. Those are icing on the cake. But yeah, I'd say a medical grade, short and sweet skincare routine. The tox is actually really effective. It doesn't have to look, it doesn't make you look like you've had Botox. It just makes your skin texture look so much better. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And then a laser. So it's summertime right now for lasers. Um have they changed the lasers where like I can do like my legs or anything in the summer? Or do you still have to wait for pigment?

SPEAKER_02 21:28

You know, ideally we get to pick here because we're in the Midwest and there's nine months out of the year where we're not in the sun. So that tends to be our pick because you can treat the laser, I don't want to call it aggressively, but a little bit more aggressively. Like you could get a better result when you're pale, when you're not tan. That being said, you can adjust settings and you can always use a laser. It's just you don't get as dynamic of an improvement when you're treating tan skin. Okay. There are clinics in Florida and Texas, and people are tan. All year long and they're doing lasers all year long. But it's just we have such a uh culturally set summer like siesta in the Midwest that it's it's just we have we have plenty of time to do it in the winter. So that's technically why. But I've been doing lasers all spring this month, lots of lasers. It just comes down to most people here in this area leave for six weeks. They're out in the sun, and there's just better times of the year to do it.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Okay. And how what's like a normal recovery? Is it like a week, a couple of days?

SPEAKER_02 22:30

There's a few different types of laser that you can do. Uh, there's the most classic is your kind of photofacial, which treats the skin cell health. It treats the brown pigment that is unwanted. It's called dyschromia or pigment that you don't want, and broken blood vessels. And uh the recovery on that is actually quite easy. You can wear makeup the same day.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Uh, there's a little swelling that you get a little puffiness just from the heat, kind of like you would after a sunburn. But it's super simple. You get some coffee ground kind of appearance of the skin with the areas of brown that are going to slough off, but easy to cover. Then there is um, there are some more ablative laser treatments that are definitely a little more serious in downtime. People often will pair that with actually like some form of surgery because it's that much downtime. Oh wow. Um, we don't do that at Skin Collab, but we refer out when you need to do that. That'd be like a CO2 laser or something like that, right? It's big time. They're really powerful, but that is not routine and it is it's a big downtime. We're talking 10 days. Okay. You don't want to leave. So um, and then there's some other laser treatments that we do. We do laser for acne, where we've got it's wavelength that actually kills the P acne and takes down redness, zero downtime. And then we do laser hair reduction. Again, zero downtime with that one.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Why does so I've had my armpits done and actually like my bikini too. But why? It's been several years. Why does that grow back? It's like just started to grow back.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Did you notice I said laser hair reduction, not removal? Yeah, okay, you got me. Okay, that's why you say it because hormones change over time and sometimes the follicle wakes up. Typically, the hair regrowth is quite good morning. Yeah, right. It's a little patchier, it's thinner, it's not as coarse, but it's not uncommon when you see some shifts to have a little bit of um hair hair growth again. We typically don't treat people until they're into their 20s, just because if you treated like, let's say you were to treat an 18-year-old for their underarms, I mean, their growth is just so robust in terms of just the hormones, they're just optimized, right? And so it's hard to get control of any of that. And then the same thing before pregnancy. Um, if you're treated, a lot of times people will notice that after pregnancy their hair grows back. Oh, and so they have to be treated again. So then just like a couple touch-ups here and there. Sometimes people have a complete hair complete regrowth after a pregnancy. Oh my gosh. I mean, some not, but it's it's that hormone is crazy. And then we start seeing in later years, obviously we start seeing some hair growth in areas that we haven't seen before. So we'll see it on people's chins, uh, on their chest. And so we're treating women in their 50s, 60s, 70s for hair on the face more. And that one I really I mean, underarms, bikini, legs, you can really get great control of that hair and the regrowth is minimal. But on the face, these hormonally driven areas, it is all about just maintaining and reducing the growth. I am straight up like you will continue to as long as your hormones are fluctuating high or low, you will have regrowth. So it's more about controlling it and making the hair finer. Okay, well, that's I know. We have solutions. It's true.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Lots of maintenance. Oh man. Being a woman, I tell you what, it's a lot of maintenance. Can we talk about kids' skincare really quick? Sure. I don't want to sound judgy at all. But you know, Chloe's 10 and she's all in the know. I don't really know how she knows, but it's like the Sephora and the Alta and the all these different skincare brands that she thinks she needs and that a lot of her friends have. That's not not judging. But I just I don't do any of that. I get her like whatever chapstick she wants. Sure, you could have 17 chapsticks. Well, great, you know. But when it comes to her skin, I have been having her put on a uh SPF in the morning just because she's in the sun all day. And I I think that's good. But what really should I be doing for the 10-year-old who's interested in this stuff?

SPEAKER_02 26:55

The interesting thing is that she's interested because a lot of times, right, you introduce the product when you see the changes on your child's face. Oh, they're having some clogged pores. Oh, there's a pimple. And then the mother or father introduces like a lotion. Hey, you might want to use this. The interesting thing about your kids' generation is they're the ones that want to go buy the things. So I think what you're doing is get the principles of your lotion in the morning, gentle cleanser, setaphil, light moisturizer, easy. That's it. And clean towels. Honestly. And then you know what? When she starts having a few more of those like areas that are troubling, like a little clucked pore here or there, you'll see it on her nose. Then you give them a little, you know, acne pad that you have with salicylic acid. So I my kids are cute because they have they've got all the products they need. They just ask me the question and then I'll, you know, have a product pop up on their on their um nightstand. So yeah, I think keeping it simple for her probably is great. And then minimizing the fragrances and dyes in the products. So as long as they're clean, have at it. She's not gonna hurt anything. But once you start adding active ingredients or there's just extra junk in them, uh, fragrances, additives, that's where I it's just not worth it. That's good. What about boys? Boys are really interested in their skin for probably the first time. It's really fun. Uh they will want a clean face, I think more than not. I think kids are comfortable in their own skin more than I've ever seen, but they're they're also very willing to try and do some more things. So for boys, uh, putting a uh cleanser in the shower is a great tip for them because they can just use it on their face uh while they're there and it's a quick wash. Uh, clean towels is huge. Clean towels. They will reuse the same towel. I'm talking about Tom Blue in the face about this, but it's incredible the switch you'll see. Yeah. And then I like a little salicillic pad for them to use uh for their T-zone when you start seeing some uh congestion. You'll see that in their T-zone before you do the girls. That's really good.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I mean, I'm such a picker. Like I'm always picking at my kids. Yeah. But you know, William's 12. I'll probably be like, Mom, why would you ever tell the story? But he doesn't care. He's always letting me, you know. Yeah. And he had this pour inside of his ear. When I tell you, I took like a little pour popper and like squeezed it out. It was like the best thing ever. And he was like, Wow.

unknown 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

All you have to do is show them that once and they'll use their.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Just a touch. Just like a little bit, but he also is, it's like not, it's me, because I'm like always just like, let me look at you. What's going on? Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 29:40

I do the same thing to my kids. Yeah. But yeah, using those simple principles is good.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Okay. Um, I was gonna ask anything that is marketing to kids right now that drives you crazy.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

I mean, I just think skincare is cool for them right now. ASMR is cool. I'm not mad about it. It's just make it, I would yeah, I'm not mad about that. Okay, just be like smart. Just be smart about it.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

Yeah. Um I was gonna say you have a graduate this year. I yeah, I do. Okay. Can I say that? Yeah. Yeah. So I was gonna say, you have a graduate this year. Congratulations. Thank you. I mean, am I allowed to ask, but what's something that nobody warned you about?

SPEAKER_02 30:18

I have said thank you to so many people this year because I feel a lot of people have given me a lot of tips for the last couple years. And I really listened. They were like, hi, you know, I I don't know, patients, like I see so many patients every day, and I I see I feel like that's how I get my news. And they're all so nice and they like to know what's happening, you know, with life and all those things. And they gave me a lot of great tips. Um, and I really just decided to take those to heart. Uh, so things haven't really surprised me. I I think I anticipated a lot of it. What what I've appreciated that I listened to is to make a little more margin in my life, um, just to have attention to that time of like that milestone to be able to give it a little more time. Um I I'm excited. I think matching your kids' energy has been a really good piece of advice. You know, I might be sad that my daughter's leaving, but I'm I'm she's happy, so I'm gonna be happy. You know, that so that kind of thing is it's not about me not making it about you. It's about them and remembering how exciting it was for me at that age and the things I was scared about and the things I was, you know, all the things that I was thinking about, I'm just revisiting and I'm just I'm excited. Um so yeah, I'm I'm trying to put myself in in her shoes.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I love that. That's really good. I mean, I'm just like in this place right now where it feels like it's flying the time. So I always want to know, you know, what the moms are thinking who have kids who are ahead of mine. Yeah, that's really good. Um, are you learning anything new right now? I feel like you always have something. You've got comments.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

I have a um a neat training coming up um in just a few weeks where I'm gonna be trying out some new techniques and products for um wrinkles or texture issue on the decollete. Oh, which is the fancy way of saying the chest area. And we haven't had a great solution for this. There is an FDA indic indication now for a product that I'm gonna try out and see if it works because it's one of the number one complaints that we get. Yeah. And uh there hasn't been a fantastic solution. So more on that later.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Oh, I'm excited about that because sometimes I wake up and I'm a side sleeper and I'm like, what is this giant line? So I'm gonna be learning about that. Okay, well, that's really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

And do you want to ask me anything? What podcast number is this? 42.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Okay. Are you learning, like who where are you what are you wanting to do with the podcast? This is my biggest question because you know, I'm like newer in the podcast game too. You've been super consistent about it, which I have admired. Thank you. More consistent than I have been. Um, but I feel like you hold me accountable to it.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Well, because I'm always like, where's my episode?

SPEAKER_02 33:10

I guess. Um and I want to know if you're learning. Do you like like to interview people? Do you like doing solo episodes? Do you like to learn on the fly? Like you're you've got someone you're interviewing and you're actually like asking questions you want to know. Are you asking questions other people want to know? Like, how are you feeling your content for the show and where do you see it going?

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Um that's a lot. That's a that's a full question. You know, what's really interesting that I'm like just finding this out is after, you know, 40 episodes or 41 episodes, whatever, I feel like I can just like I'm feel like I'm just confident, like right now, to be like, uh here, look, listen to my podcast or I have a podcast where before I always was like trying to hide behind, like it's this is my alter ego. Like, you know, it's more like a side thing. Um if anybody was gonna start a podcast, I would tell them, you gotta be in it all the way, like from day one. Don't be scared because it just doesn't matter. Nobody really cares, right? Right. I think I love it all. When I I love a solo episode when I'm super into the topic because it comes easy, but I do a lot of storytelling. So that does come easy for me. And honestly, the guests that I've had have all been so organic, right? Like, I mean, I messaged you last week. I was like, hey, when do you want to do another potty go? How about Monday? Yeah. Like that's the best for me. So would I ideally love to keep going with guests a hundred percent? I just for myself, I'm not trying to be anything that I'm not, that I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Right. I have liked how your guests are like an outpouring of your circle because I cut, you know, I kind of like am somewhat in our worlds kind of collide a little bit. And it's really fun that you are able to look around you and find some really the interesting people in your life. And sometimes we only know a piece of someone's story. And I've really liked hearing the other side of someone who maybe I've known for 10 years, but I've never heard someone just ask them questions or hear about their professional life. Maybe I only know them personally, totally. Or vice versa. So I think it's really fun.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Yeah, thanks. And I think that was kind of the original idea. I was like, everybody's walking around with a whole life that we really know nothing about. And of course, we could go deeper in any space, but I think just highlighting everybody's out here doing their best, right? Like this is the information, and somebody like you who has all this information, knowledgeable information about what I'm putting in my face, on my face, the things I can be doing to better. I mean, we all want to look our best, right? It's just it's it's really fun. Yeah, I love it. And I also I think I never thought, like, who would I want to be a guest on my podcast? And the fact that you're on here twice. Thank you. Well, thanks for coming to my living room. I really love it. Um, we gotta end on funny this or that's. So we're not done yet. Uh laser treatment or lake vacation.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

I mean the laser treatment is just gonna be so good in the end.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Okay. A 10-step skincare routine or 10 hours of sleep. Neither. Oh, okay. Coffee or collagen.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

Coffee. Online shopping or target run. Online. Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_02 36:54

I that shift I paused because this is another shift that's happening. I don't care about shopping anymore.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Yeah, I love that though. Anyway, online. Read the comments or never read them again.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Depends on what mood I'm in. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

I d line.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

I mean, I can live in the comments. There, it's there are their its own like ecosystem. It's a wild. Like if you are reading it with a friend for fun, like it can get really funny. Otherwise, I normally I'm like a no comments person, like in life. But sometimes if you just need to have a good laugh and like be like, you know what, it's not that that serious. You just can live in the comments.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

I love to read a comment section. People are getting fights in the comments with each other. You're like, what are you doing? Yeah. Okay. Um, teenager boys or teenage girls. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

I don't know if my kids are gonna listen to this. We could pass. Boys are easier. Okay. But I love, I love my I love having a girl, of course.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Reality TV or documentary.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

50-50. I love reality TV, but a good documentary on something that I'm interested in, like juicy, is great.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Really good. Um, be 25 again or keep the wisdom. Keep the wisdom.

unknown 38:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:07

I knew you were gonna say that. Okay, in a rapid fire. What's something everyone should start, should start buying?

SPEAKER_02 38:14

Someone I'm trying to think of what I've gotten that is just like incredible. Um, I was at a favorite things. My girlfriends do favorite things. And I think anything monogrammed is fantastic because it makes you feel fancy.

SPEAKER_01 38:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Um, the cakes, you know, the they are the silicone little stick-ons, fantastic for bathing suits. Yeah, I love those. I've received those. So those are like rebuys. Something else everyone should be buying. I think just like a like a great face oil or something that makes you feel like luxurious at night before bed. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Would be good. Okay, I like that. And what's the most mom thing you've done this week? I was I have the most embarrassing story.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Oh god, I love embarrassing stories. This is really bad. I was trying to check up on my kids and I have a Snapchat account, but it I don't use it. It's just to check in, or my kids will say, Hey, check it. Well, I was trying to check in and I was looking on stories and I accidentally took a picture of myself. Did you post it? I posted it. The I it was I had no makeup on, my hair was frizzy. I was it was from like it looked like a filter of like Jabba the Hut. Like it I don't recognize the woman I the picture I took. When I posted it. What's the angle? Oh, like so so bad. Crouched down out, like just so bad. And I'm out shopping later with my daughter, and her friend calls her and is like, hey, I think your mom posted something she didn't make too.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

So you didn't even know that you posted it?

SPEAKER_02 39:47

No, I no, nope, I was just living out there. What was the question again that you just asked? What's the most mom thing you've done?

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Yeah, so that's yeah, that is it. That's hilarious. Yeah, it's sad. Okay. Um, if your family was here right now, maybe we can pull them. What would they say is your most annoying habit?

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Probably like hugging them and like being silly with them. Okay, but they love that. But maybe they'd like it. They love that.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Um last thing you texted someone. That's look. The last thing I said was um You can pass.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

We should have made this a drinking game. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Yeah, you're gonna have to do that. The last thing I texted was my daughter asking if she wanted to watch a movie or get food.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

Okay, well that's a good one. Um, last question. What are you the most excited to do this summer?

SPEAKER_02 40:50

I am excited to help move my daughter into college. Okay. Yeah. Because she's excited.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Yeah, that's really good. I love this as always. Thank you again. Eight months later. Man alive. You were my eighth episode too. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_02 41:06

No.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Number eight?

SPEAKER_02 41:07

What we are we're um what's your birthday?

SPEAKER_01 41:09

August ninth.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Mine's August 23rd. Yeah. We may we need an August episode.

SPEAKER_01 41:14

Do you think we've improved?

SPEAKER_02 41:15

I think we're more confident.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

I think you just gotta roll with it.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

And this technology, though, I would say, have we improved? I d couldn't even record it today.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

We have improved because we trouble we did a little troubleshooting. And maybe this is your new podcast setup.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

I love it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

If you need to squat in my living room room living room until you get a fancy setup, you just let me know.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

Yeah, and maybe I'll have to learn this game too.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

Yeah, Mahjong for next time.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Thanks, Maggie. Yeah, thank you.